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		<title>By: Hank*</title>
		<link>http://www.mitchmagee.com/blog/2006/09/15/this-is-not-an-art-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this isn&#039;t an art post, I can say I like this. I&#039;ll check back in a week or so to see if I still like it, and if I do, will probably have no better idea then, then I do now. One more thing - I continue to notice that, for me, viewing art if much more enjoyable and meaningful with a guide or commentator present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this isn&#8217;t an art post, I can say I like this. I&#8217;ll check back in a week or so to see if I still like it, and if I do, will probably have no better idea then, then I do now. One more thing &#8211; I continue to notice that, for me, viewing art if much more enjoyable and meaningful with a guide or commentator present.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gimme 10 minutes and I could make you one of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gimme 10 minutes and I could make you one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.mitchmagee.com/blog/2006/09/15/this-is-not-an-art-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But you&#039;re right, Todd.

It is important to call out shallowness. I was was being unecessarily arguementative. Also, I shouldn&#039;t be posting so much in the comments portion of this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But you&#8217;re right, Todd.</p>
<p>It is important to call out shallowness. I was was being unecessarily arguementative. Also, I shouldn&#8217;t be posting so much in the comments portion of this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.mitchmagee.com/blog/2006/09/15/this-is-not-an-art-post/comment-page-1/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her work is more than &quot;love of Nazis,&quot; don&#039;t you think?

I don&#039;t want to be in the position of saying &quot;what you enjoy is stupid.&quot; I don&#039;t see that there&#039;s anything super &quot;problematic&quot; in liking attractive stoners. The way he presents them in this stoic, highly composed sort of way is interesting to me. I mean, I don&#039;t he&#039;s fantastic or anything...

It&#039;s not my job to scoff at someone&#039;s interests or to hold a political yardstick (or a &quot;cool yardstick&quot;) up to a work of art to determine its merrit.

This is not an art post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her work is more than &#8220;love of Nazis,&#8221; don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to be in the position of saying &#8220;what you enjoy is stupid.&#8221; I don&#8217;t see that there&#8217;s anything super &#8220;problematic&#8221; in liking attractive stoners. The way he presents them in this stoic, highly composed sort of way is interesting to me. I mean, I don&#8217;t he&#8217;s fantastic or anything&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not my job to scoff at someone&#8217;s interests or to hold a political yardstick (or a &#8220;cool yardstick&#8221;) up to a work of art to determine its merrit.</p>
<p>This is not an art post.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.mitchmagee.com/blog/2006/09/15/this-is-not-an-art-post/comment-page-1/#comment-998</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when someone loves something shallow or obnoxious or problematic unabiguously, and puts that love out in the public, I think we can be critical about that. Leni Reifenstahl, to use an extreme example, expressed her unambiguous love for the Nazis in a very beautiful, avant-garde experimental way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when someone loves something shallow or obnoxious or problematic unabiguously, and puts that love out in the public, I think we can be critical about that. Leni Reifenstahl, to use an extreme example, expressed her unambiguous love for the Nazis in a very beautiful, avant-garde experimental way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I don&#039;t so much look past the subject and see the formal rigor beneath, so much as the paintings make me feel some of the affection Calvin obviously possesses for these dudes and dudedettes. The relationship EP has with her subject seems like a much more familiar one, at least in the art world—youthful obsessions viewed from a distance.

I mean, I suppose Peyton&#039;s relationship to her subject is more &quot;sophisticated,&quot; but isn&#039;t it nice when someone can love something unambiguously? Why be critical of that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I don&#8217;t so much look past the subject and see the formal rigor beneath, so much as the paintings make me feel some of the affection Calvin obviously possesses for these dudes and dudedettes. The relationship EP has with her subject seems like a much more familiar one, at least in the art world—youthful obsessions viewed from a distance.</p>
<p>I mean, I suppose Peyton&#8217;s relationship to her subject is more &#8220;sophisticated,&#8221; but isn&#8217;t it nice when someone can love something unambiguously? Why be critical of that?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,  and by &quot;frost&quot; I mean &quot;first&quot;. It&#039;s ghetto slang, don&#039;t try and understand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,  and by &#8220;frost&#8221; I mean &#8220;first&#8221;. It&#8217;s ghetto slang, don&#8217;t try and understand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care for Mr. Calvin&#039;s paintings. The very best ones (paintings of lumpy-weighty seagulls or boys pulling their shirts over their heads) do sort of approach uncanniness or are formaly interesting -- and I&#039;ll be the frost to admit that he can move the paint around, BUT what they resemble more than Katz or Piero, in form and content, is illustration from mainstream youth-y magazines like Rolling Stone and Spin. I don&#039;t need to see more pictures of pretty slacker dudes.

 I think, Mitch, that you were suggesting that one can look past the subject matter and concentrate on what&#039;s happening with the paint itself. But it&#039;s a pretty big leap to ignore that big, long-haired, stylized mug. I don&#039;t disagree that they refer to earlier paintings, and you ARE right on with the Piero, but I think if you look at someone like John Currin (whom I also have some issues with) in comparison to Calvin you see someone who is considering, critiquing, and invested his subject. Even Elizabeth Peyton, who&#039;s dudes look all the same like Calvin&#039;s, has a much more complicated relationship to who she paints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care for Mr. Calvin&#8217;s paintings. The very best ones (paintings of lumpy-weighty seagulls or boys pulling their shirts over their heads) do sort of approach uncanniness or are formaly interesting &#8212; and I&#8217;ll be the frost to admit that he can move the paint around, BUT what they resemble more than Katz or Piero, in form and content, is illustration from mainstream youth-y magazines like Rolling Stone and Spin. I don&#8217;t need to see more pictures of pretty slacker dudes.</p>
<p> I think, Mitch, that you were suggesting that one can look past the subject matter and concentrate on what&#8217;s happening with the paint itself. But it&#8217;s a pretty big leap to ignore that big, long-haired, stylized mug. I don&#8217;t disagree that they refer to earlier paintings, and you ARE right on with the Piero, but I think if you look at someone like John Currin (whom I also have some issues with) in comparison to Calvin you see someone who is considering, critiquing, and invested his subject. Even Elizabeth Peyton, who&#8217;s dudes look all the same like Calvin&#8217;s, has a much more complicated relationship to who she paints.</p>
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		<title>By: kaveri</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaveri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the iconic/casual quality. alex katz-y. 
you are right on with the piero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the iconic/casual quality. alex katz-y.<br />
you are right on with the piero.</p>
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